Texas grand Jury Clears Murderer Joe Horn of shooting 2 unarmed men in the back June 30, 2008
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This one happened just up the road a mile or so. Another fine example of dumbass Texas mentality. 61 year old Joe Horn heard some noises next door on Thursday afternoon. With a quick look out the window he saw a burglary in process. He dialed 911 to report it. The dispatcher told him to sit tight, the police were on the way. Instead Horn grabbed a 12 gauge shotgun went outside and as the two Hispanics legal immigrants - Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30 - were leaving, Horn shot them three times in the chest from a distance of 15 feet, needless to say the two died on the spot. Wow, 15 feet with a 12 gauge! Dead-eye Joe.
Houston Police just last week shot and killed a 15 year old African American boy for pulling a red hair brush, and a few months ago Pasadena police kicked a Hispanic man to death in custody. But killing unarmed Hispanics and African Americans is not just in the scope of the police down here in Dumbass, it's the stuff of heroes for just regular Texans too. In Texas if one can lure a person they don't like (or a person of some color they don't like) onto their property, they can kill them.
Horn was upstairs working at a computer about 2 p.m. when he heard the sound of breaking glass next door. Horn called 911, engaging in a protracted conversation with the dispatcher, who repeatedly advised him to wait inside until police arrived."
Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house. You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun," the dispatcher told Horn at one point."You wanna make a bet," Horn responded. "I'm gonna kill them. They're gonna get away."
Despite a concerted effort by the dispatcher to persuade him to let police deal with the break-in, Horn was insistent on trying keep them from getting away.
"I don't want you going outside, Mr. Horn," the dispatcher said.
"Well, here it goes, buddy," Horn said. "You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."
Seconds later three shotgun blasts are heard. Joe Horn article
Grand Juries seldom indict these white local heroes down here, but in this case Mr. Horn is in some legal trouble because he was told by the police to
not go outside, the burglars were
not on his property, and it was
not at night. All aspects of Horn not following the
rule of law.Mr. Horn has left town saying he was under stress while the investigation proceeds. As of this time there are a few other issues of interest. Mr. Horn did not know his neighbors who now - five days later - have not been contacted or found. And the police said the burglars had a white bag with a large amount of cash in it. I don't have a big wad of cash around here, do you?
First off, this area is about the most Christian and Republican in the known world. It is where Tom DeLay got over 70% of the vote whenever he ran. Shooting unarmed people of color is not only what Republicans do but also what Jesus would do. JESUS KILLS.
And secondly, these Christian Republicans cry rule of law bloody murder when it comes to plying their intolerance and bigotry to illegal immigrants, White House bjs or what have you, but when it comes to shooting unwhite people in the face, that all goes out the window.
I am sure you can well imagine what the letters to the editors read and what the local talk shows are saying. Cheers and bestowing the highest medal of honor and already there are plans for a big parade on his return.
So if any of yall want to come down here to kill someone in your front yard, keep in mind that they have to be on your property. And if you can only lure them to your neighbors yard make sure it is after dark. Be warned, this does not work well for getting rid of bad spouses. Unless they are unWhite.
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I am a hunter how uses a 12 gauge.
15 feet! Wow! I know what that does. When they say he BLEW HIS HEAD OFF, thats what a 12 gauge at 15 feet will do.
I am sure his AM TALK RADIO sponsored parade will cheer him up! :)
The poor dears. If only they could have gotten away from the mean old nasty, (and stupid), Mr Horn, who is probably a republican. Imagine someone being so mean as to protect the home of a neighbor. I mean, how could he?
Obviously the grand jury will vote to hang him. And of course his victims were black, so they will of course suspend all judgment and common sense and see to it that The Reverend Al Sharpton attends the trial and that Mr Horn will be assumed guilty, tried, and executed as he should.
Why, the very nerve. Kill all those worthless republicans and their Mr George Bush. We must get control of all these gun-toting conservatives and their flag waving minions.
Allah Ahkbar
"Grand Juries seldom indict these white local heroes down here, but in this case Mr. Horn is in some legal trouble because he was told by the police to not go outside, the burglars were not on his property, and it was not at night. All aspects of Horn not following the rule of law."
None of what you said here is correct.
The orders of a 911 dispatcher are not determinative. He won't be in trouble for not obeying the dispatcher. Further, the 911 tape does not incriminate him so much as it will provide for his defense. It goes a long way to supporting the "reasonable belief" standard of the statute. In short, there doesn't have to be an actual burglary, he has to reasonably believe a burglary is imminent or has been committed.
According to Penal Code section 9.43, the perpetrators don't have to be on your property. In fact, the very section is styled, "Protection of Third Person's Property." The prequisiste to invoking section 9.43 is that you would be justified in using force or deadly force for the same circumstances involving your own property.
Finally, the nighttime requirement is only for theft committed on the property (e.g., stealing a bicycle from the front yard) or criminal mischief (e.g., spray painting graffiti on the garage door). There is no nighttime requirement for arson, buglary, robbery or aggravated robbery. In fact, you're not even restricted to a buglary in progress. You can use deadly force to retrieve your neighbor's (and your own) property immediately after commission of the burglary.
While you may not agree with the statute, or with Joe Horn's actions, that's not the same as saying he is criminally liable for his actions.
The Harris County DA likely let him, or told him, to leave the jurisdiction in order to let the political dust settle, because the DA knew that Joe's actions were justifiable under the law and the DA couldn't charge him.
Here is a link to the statute:
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.002.00.000009.00.htm#9.43.00
TR
I will pray for you.
I directly countered your incorrect legal "analysis" and you come back with a bunch of emotionally-driven rhetoric about "cop, judge, jury and executioner" when he exercises his rights, and make unsubstantiated refereces to murder and racial violence.
I understand the value of this rhetoric to energize "the base," but you're never going to get any further than a blog or propaganda handout until your factual and legal analyses get a little sharper.
This this the best that the liberal wing has to offer?
TR
Because as explained in detail above, Mr Horn did follow the rule of law.
And your two heros were breaking the law.
This is a good lesson for all robbers and law-breakers: be prepared to meet your Maker.
As for my house, I'll call 911 to come pick up the bodies.
What exactly makes Joe a rasist? Do you know him personally, or do you have some inside information that is about to be published in the news? Or is he a rasist because he is white? Because he lives in Texas? Because he owns a firearm?
As to the second part of that quote - if the law states that a person is allowed to shoot a criminal during the comisson of a crime - then shooting him is exercising the rule of law. If you do not like the law, write your local representative.
a) NRA Life Members
b) Came From freerepublic.com
c) Ron Paul Libertarians
d) Have DavidDuke.com in their favorites
e) All of the above
The answer is usually E.
If you read the gentlemen's comments that did shoot the two, he is not feeling like he is a hero. He is tired of waiting for police to get to the scene, tired of being put in the position of not having protection, and tired of the PC police such as yourself pushing for no one to have any rights. What is so wrong with what this country was built on. Why are you so quick to judge ones mindset. Don't judge that man. You were not there... or were you.
But the main point illustrated by the incident is this - when seconds count the police is only minutes away. Joe may have had a choice whether to go out his door or not. Imagine a slightly different situation - the two guys are breaking into your house and you are in your bedroom on the phone dialing 911. Given how things turned out for Joe - do you think cops would get to your house before the two perps get to you in your bedroom?
Sometimes you HAVE to take action because the police are seldom 'just down the street a block or two.' Some crimes like littering shouldn't be met with lethal force; some crimes should be met with lethal force. If you are going to use lethal force you need to know when to use it and when not. I am frustrated that our justice system has 'no teeth' and the criminals know it. The victims often are punished more than the criminals. Having said that: Even if we are in the right we must still use good judgment in EVERY situation. One size doesn’t fit all....
1) Joe should be given a medal.
and
2) You are a moron.
...also...if you can defend this man or anyone like him because they may have technically been acting within texas law then your a weirdo(just because its legal doesnt automatically make it right)......12 gageing two people who are on their way out of a residence with some stuff is disgusting.i would hope my neighbors would just call the police and hope americas finest gets em.my neighbor deffinetly dosnt need to blow off somebodys head protecting my money,or stuff .wow were not even talking self defence here.thank god i have faith in god and not stuff.texas is a predominantly christian state does christianity teaching people to kill for material posessions?are people all hung up on material things because they really have no faith in christ?or is it because christ is really nothing to have faith in and your stuff is what people is what people are really worshiping?
But these were not neighbor's kids. These were burglars, with criminal records. It sounds like Joe may have acted within the law. Grand Jurry shall determine that.
And a policeman watched the whole thing and did nothing! This is getting bigger everyday... I noticed the DA said they dont know if they will charge him yet.
No, the question should be if the gets 2 life sentences or a trip to the Huntsville death house. This crap means you can kill anyone on your property as long as they are dead and silent. It is INSANE. You can even kill anyone you want with the cops watching if the step on your property. It is INSANE.
Makes al Qaeda look good...
What is insane is YOU! How is the weather in La La Liberal Land? It is not my habit to wish bad things on people but you make me want to make an exception. Every post you make is chalked full of opinions and baseless "facts" as you call them... may God have mercy on your little soul.
If you weren't there you are at the mercy of the media for your facts. They will all come out eventually...
These blogs just serve as way to pass time drinking my morning coffee... and a good laugh!
Also, I could not have put it better than you did in your last line! ;-)
Racial equity in our society has made such advances that to avoid irrelevancy they are often forced to promote criminals (e.g., Jena Six) or frauds (Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum). The days of Rosa Parks are long gone and the race baiters are having a hard time adjusting.
As for Rack Jite and others, I can only hope that their revulsion or fear of our frontier mentality, as the case may be, will reduce the number of criminals and leftist Yankees moving here to victimize Texans.
They should be forced to stew in their own juices, like the cesspool of Detroit or the oppressiveness of the People's Republic of Kaliforneeah.
Maybe if they had to live with the consequences of their choices, they'd grow up and stop creating a nanny state to nipple feed them or breed a criminal underclass.
TR
It is wonderful to have it so eloquently put... the liberals can't seem to attain that vernacular. All they are able to do is spew hateful speech about folks that don't agree with their twisted frame of mind and views. Name calling and word twisting is what they, seem to, prefer to logical, rational thought procession.
I as well enjoy my "frontier" mentality. It's what I have grown up with and it works. Now if we were all allowed to do just what Joe Horn did then there would be a lot less crime. But of course the Dems and Libs wouldn't have much of a voter base if the criminals were done away with. So as you can see we won't ever be able to get rid of the scum that use our tax dollars to be supported while they supplement their "income" with stealing from others.
You reap what you sow.
Hang in there Joe!
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