Texas grand Jury Clears Murderer Joe Horn of shooting 2 unarmed men in the back June 30, 2008
Pasadena Texas Joe Horn - NEW raw video of Demonstration
Dec 8 Update - Texas Hero Joe Horn Shoots 2 Unarmed Black Men in the Back
Prayers are coming in from all over the nation for Shotgun Cowboy Joe Horn. Christian praise for Horn - who at about 2pm last Thursday afternoon - shot suspected burglars Miguel DeJesus and Diego Ortiz three times with a 12 gauge shotgun from a distance of 15 feet. Both were shot through the chest and one shot again in the neck. At this time it is not known if the neck shot separated the man's head from his body. Joe Horn has left town saying it is just all to stressful. As a Christian Nation we can only pray that Joe, the victim in all this, is relieved of his stress.
After the pictures of the victims appeared in the Houston Chronicle (and subsequently removed it seems) a few things became clear. Joe Horn was not shooting Hispanics as the initial readers suspected from the names listed, rather he was shooting N-words. This of course jacked his hero credentials up two notches. Black AND Hispanic!
The below comment which we got here on Kick! - but had to remove because Google doan like dat word - from a good Republican explains the driving force that supports Joe Horn 2 to 1 here in Houston and no doubt, in all regional Republican circles. The mainstream media will not print these kind of comments for obvious reasons, and neither will they address the real issues behind this; racism and gungoonery.
anybody that does not think this guy is a patriot is an idiot...this is what happens when [nword] try to steal in white areas from now on...they get their ass shot...much better than paying for their housing in our prisons...we gave these [nword] everything and now they want this too...steal in white areas and then get their ASS blown away and then you to got losers that say that is wrong too... cotullaguy
The transcript of the 911 call in yesterday's Joe Horn article Local Pasadena, Texas Hero Joe Horn Kills 2 Unarmed Hispanics does not quite get the point across as well as it does when you hear it in this video.
This prevailing aspect regarding the joy so many Americans find in this kind of violent vigilante gunoonery smacks of the much larger picture of how we have lost whatever moral high ground we once enjoyed before starting a war over a pack of lies, the torture at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and the present torture by waterboarding . Another example in a long list making us no better than those we pretend to be superior to.
The truth you will never hear from the mainstream media is that when we take just these issues portending evil in world; vigilante racist murder, preemptive war upon civilian population centers, denial of due process and torture it all comes from the same direction. White conservative Republican Christians. And I will be damned if I am not going to say so here.
The primary reason for our present war on immigrants is because of
The Rule Of Law. As you can see, those who scream it the loudest will also discard it the fastest when it does not fit into their
Christian intolerant world view.
Facebook |
Digg |
Reddit |
Stumble |
Buzz it! |
Email Article |
As for me, as a Conservative Republican, I have no problem with people "Less White" (as YOU so racially & delicately put it) who are honest contributers to society. Not common thieves and illegals that my tax dollars have to support. As for Quanell X, that is the most racist human being I can think of at this moment in time that always shows up for these matters to defend the "victims"... if Joe Horn had just shot the guys because they were only walking down the street, then yes I could see an issue of racism here... but since they were commiting yet ANOTHER crime to add to their long list and came towards Joe in a threatning manner, he had every right to blow them away. I would have.
I live and work with different cultures of people and get along great with them. It's not about color, race, religion, or whatever you want to try to make it out to be... it's about respect for your fellow man. Those perps didn't respect someone's property and paid the price.
By the way, the wife of one of the "victims" didn't seem all that upset that he is gone. I wouldn't be either if he beat me... I would have taken care of that way before someone else had the chance to kill him. The only reason that she came out on television is because Quanell probably asked her too. If someone would have killed my husband, and I seriously loved him, I would have been bawling my eyes out and would have had a lot more heartfelt words to say than she did. It's all for 15 minutes of fame.
Also, the Jena 6 has been played up (on the black side) as "victims" that waited like predators for a white kid of their choosing (who had nothing to do with the nooses) and just jumped on him and beat the tar out of him. And now two of them go onto the BET awards to a standing applause with "Bling" on? Now we all know that if the roles were reversed, white kids beat up one black kid, the protests would have had a totally different ring to it. Instead of "protect these kids" it would have been "prosecute these kids for thier racism!!!!"
I am so sick of all the one sided racism you see in the media today. Blacks and Hispanics are allowed to do whatever they want for being "kept down" for so many years by the whites... I know that I NEVER owned a slave or kept anyone "down". I am not going to pay for what others have done in the past. GET OVER IT! You already get help with school, housing, medical care, food and whatever else the Democrats can give you for free to keep you dependent on them, as well as you to keep giving them your votes. I am not saying that all of them are leeches on society but statistics (facts for those uneducated with the term for a real survey) show they are the majority of recipients.
And by the way, I don't care if the crooks are black, Hispanic, or Martian. To me, they are all equally worthless! They knew the risk when they decided to break into another man's house.
I know this must drive you liberals crazy, Rack, but thanks the gods you do not run Texas.
BTW, Joe Horn did what al Qaeda does everyday. Taking it upon themselves to murder those who they perceive as breaking their laws. The joy taken in this proves we are no better than barbarians in other parts of the world we like to shake our finger at.
"He that hath not, let him sell his coat and buy a sword. For I say to you, that this that is written must yet be fulfilled in me: AND WITH THE WICKED WAS HE BECKONED. For the things concerning me have an end." - Jesus Luke 22:36
Two fewer criminals in the world. Hey Rack, cry me a river!
What I like about this issue is it shows that YOUR KIND dont give a hoot in Hell about RULE OF LAW, you only use that argument when it suits you, like the same racism inherent in todays anti immigration fervor.
As the Texan says...
I got a gun and it aint teenie it makes up for my little weenie...
Hey, America . . .
What Time Is It?
Every 2 seconds
a criminal offense
Every 3 seconds
a property crime
Every 4 seconds
a larceny-theft
Every 13 seconds
a burglary
Every 19 seconds
a violent crime
Every 23 seconds
a vehicle is stolen
Every 28 seconds
an aggravated assault
Every 60 seconds
a robbery
Every 5 minutes
a rape
Every 29 minutes
a murder
Sources: F.B.I. Uniform Crime Report, DP
"Dallas Homeowner Shoots Home Invasion Suspect"
http://tinyurl.com/2l35v7
And here's a story from California. "Home-invasion case brings cries of racism"
Three "urban youths" staged a home invasion at 4 am, beat one of the residents with a baseball bat so bad he has brain damage, and then encountered the owner of the house. The home owner opened fire, killing two of the disadvantaged under-privileged youth. Now the third homie is going to go on trial, and the NAACP is squawking about "racism."
Oh the poor criminals! lol......
This guy was not protecting his property, was not in any danger at all, and shot unarmed people NEXT DOOR from 15 feet away with a shotgun on a sunny afternoon.
I know how much joy and celebration you must take in blowing away unarmed nwords who are of no threat to you.
People like you are not that hard to figure out you know. Its either..
a) NRA Life Members
b) Came From freerepublic.com
c) Ron Paul Libertarians
d) Have DavidDuke.com in their favorites
e) All of the above
>I know how much joy and celebration you must take in blowing away unarmed nwords who are of no threat to you.
I believe that "shvartser" is what you people call them - at least in private.
Don't steal they neighbor's goods, and you don't have anything to worry about.
Give Joe Horn a medal!
Likewise the guy in this story. http://www.bakersfield.com/hourly_news/story/279854.html
Another armed citizen - excuse me "vigilante," as you people call them - defending life and property.
Give him the DSAF Medal. (Did Society A Favor.)
Such a great loss to society! Oh the humanity! Here, let me fetch you a damn lefties a hankie...
Were it up to you, we'd all be disarmed and forbidden by law to defend ourselves, our loved ones, our property, and our neighbors.
Tomorrow I'll take my Kalashnikov to the range and fire off a few hundred rounds just to maintain my marksmanship.
Regards,
--Jim Sachsen
Armed, free, and proud to be a Texan
Dont give me this "suspected thieves" crap either because they were IN FACT, thieves.
The world is a better place without the 2 THIEVES in it.
(I only included my heritage because you seem to think its real important to inclue the races in this article. It should just be 1 man shot 2 men....)
The joy of course is shooting UNARMED people close up. Its what cowards do.
I would like to see more of you express your love for Joe Horn AND Ron Paul though.
Because this is what the Libertarian Party is all about. Bringing MAD MAX movies to life.
What is the King of England comment for? Do you not believe me?
And since your so smart, what should have happened? I guess your the type of guy that thinks calling 911 solves ALL problems. (not that you seem to consider 2 guys breaking into a house in broad daylight a problem.)
I'll take 'vigilante justice' over no justice....
Have you guys ever seen "The Oxbow Incident?" Probably not...I guess in some places in Texas Art is the fellow who lives on the corner.
Now I understand better where RJ derives his "Dumbass Texas" mantra. What an embarassment to us native Texans who believe this behavior went out with the 1870's.
"Getting our morals back" is equated with shooting unarmed folk in broad daylight. Get a brain transplant sir...
The Ox-Bow Incident was a fictional novel back in the 40's.
Not even apples and oranges. More like apples and walnuts.
Nice try, asshat.
A movie on how the mob can be talked into lynching even a man they believe to probably be innocent. And more importantly, the iron albatross the lynchers must wear around their neck for the rest of their lives.
My 25 years of experience dealing with these kind of comments from these kind of people online makes me want to shout to yall!
THESE ARE LIBERTARIANS!
RON PAUL LIBERTARIANS.
The vigilante "justice" aspect of Oxbow is readily applicable to this situation. Even if it were not, do you really believe thievery merits the death penalty?
I suggest you learn logic before you try to use it. It's like a child handling a gun.
And due process for a robbery in progress? HA! I guess people like you rely on the law to form ANY kind of conclusion. Law is what allowed slavery for so long in this country.
Since your bringing up fictional movies and scenarios, I guess if you were to see a woman getting raped, you would just walk by without action. In your 'logic' the rapist should just continue raping the woman because he hasnt been put through due process.
I guess the excuse of 'due process of law' has worked for hypogonadal men in the past so you'll give it a shot now.
Do I have to shoot the rapist to stop him? No, I would only have to shoot the unarmed rapist if I were hypogonadal.
I personally don't agree that the two are miles apart - but I've never been raped.
I've had my home broken into and burglarized twice though. My back door was deadbolted, but they kicked the door in - frame and all, split the frame right down from the wall. The burglars did a great deal of damage to the interior of my home, and stole a lot of nice things that I'd worked hard to get, including family heirlooms and keepsakes that I could never replace.
Most of all though, they stole my sense of security at home. It was months, maybe a year, before I could sleep in my own bed at night and feel even a small amount secure, and I'm still nervous leaving my home - to this day because I don't want someone to break in and either take what I have, or risk injury to myself and my children.
When someone breaks into your home, the "stuff" can be replaced, but the sense of security within your own house is lost, and that just can't be regained. As I said, I've never been raped, so I'm not able to make a direct correlation, but to me that loss of security and feeling that you're home is never truly your sanctuary again is a massive emotional blow.
It's certainly not something I'd consider to be "miles apart".
Yours is a thoughtful post and I am sorry to hear you had to experience that in such a personal manner.
The "miles apart" was just to illustrate the false dichotomy set forth in a previous post that attempted to justify shooting unarmed men. It was not intended to suggest that thievery is not repugnant, when it clearly is, especially as with your experience.
Nevertheless, it seems that the legal system proscribes harsher penalties for rapists than thieves. I am not a lawyer, but perhaps this is because rape incorporates all the woes you outlined above with regards to personhood rather than possessions.
Whatever the case may be, I do not think I would be comfortable with my neighbor shooting unarmed men outside my house in broad daylight.
He ordered the individuals to stop.
These were not unarmed innocents. At least one of the men had a crowbar that's confirmed, but I don't know what other weapons they may have had.
Regardless, when Mr. Horn told them to stop and remain where they were - these men did not turn and flee, or run. They immediately advanced TOWARDS Mr. Horn, with their crowbar. That, right there, is a big crux to this issue.
Instead of stopping as instructed, The criminals instead came into Mr. Horn's yard, advancing towards him, to approximately 15 feet, at which point Mr. Horn shot the individuals in the chest.
These men did not trying to flee when confronted - it was 2 30-something year old men, with a much larger series of "run ins" with the law, some violent, than has been reported by some media outlets, advancing on a 60 year old man.
And at that point, he shot them. But he only shot them after they were clearly coming towards him in what most reasonable people would believe to be a threatening manner.
Whether people believe it was right or wrong for him to go outside is somewhat of an issue - he's the one who inserted himself in that position to try and prevent 2 burglars from escaping the scene and detain them until police could arrive. Mr. Horn did tell the men to stop, but they chose to rush him with a crowbar instead, and he took action as he felt necessary to protect his own life at that point.
So what now? Should I buy a shotgun and begin patrolling my neighborhood, confronting criminals and shooting them if I deem it necessary?
Alexi-do you think it was right or wrong for him to go outside?
Firstly, no I don't think buying a shotgun and "patrolling your neighborhood" would be a smart decision, and would probably cause no small amount of confusion. However, that's not what this gentleman was doing. He was sitting at home, minding his own business when he heard a noise next door - he was certainly not out on patrol looking to confront criminals and involve himself. His first action was to notify the police and urged the 911 dispatch to get them there, without going outside. He only went out in desperation at the last minute when it was apparant the police would not arrive in time to keep the criminals from escaping.
As to my own thoughts on whether it was right or wrong for him to go outside...
He was a 60+ years old and severely out of shape. The two invaders were roughly half his age, and by general apparances, in much better shape physically than Mr. Horn. By going outside, he was an elderly man confronting two determined home invaders with unknown weapons (all he'd personally seen them with was a crowbar that I'm aware of). It does not take a determined attacker but just a couple of seconds to cover 20 yards - so that crowbar was a very viable weapon at those distances. The only choice or chance he had of protecting himself if they did not "cease and desist" and stop to wait nicely for the police like he told them to, was to resort to the shotgun for protection - so in that regard, by going outside, he limited himself to only 2 possible outcomes -- either the 2 younger, better conditioned criminals listened to the old man and waited to be arrested like good little criminals -- or he'd be forced to kill them to protect his own life from them.
As it stands, it would appear the criminals decided to take their chances against him rather than the police, and came at him. Events unfolded from there.
I'm not one for gambling, but at even odds, there was a 50/50 chance the two would have frozen and laid down on the ground to wait for the cops. Nobody can know.
Is 50/50 odds the criminals will listen to him good enough for him to go outside? I dunno, that was his decision, not mine. There are a lot of variables in any given scenario that make blanket "right or wrong" judgement calls very difficult. I wasnt' there, and I don't feel right sitting off detached from events and callously casting judgement.
In an ideal world there would be no thieves, no crime, and no need for guns. Unfortunately, no matter how much we may wish it, that's simply not the world we live in, and as long as there is someone who finds it easier to take from others rather than earn things himself, there will always be crime.
I feel a lot of sympathy and sadness for all 3 involved.
Man, as a species, has a hell of a long way left to go.
The criminals could have simply ignored Mr. Horn entirely and continued running. Then, Mr. Horn would have faced the decision to watch them run, or shoot the fleeing men in the back ...
and we don't and can't know what the outcome of that might have been - because that didn't happen. Whether or not Mr. Horn may have shot the fleeing men is anyone's guess. But the simple fact is - he did not shoot fleeing men.
If he had, that would be an altogether different situation and scenario than the events we're all here discussing now.
I feel the weight of this tragedy as well. Thanks for being rational.
And dats a fact...
ADAF
Here is a another fact.
Had the two been white neighbor kids would horn have shot them? NO. And had he shot them he would be in jail not on vacation sipping mint julips at his pals plantation laughing about two less "N-words" in the world.
ADAF
[/quote]
What do you base your conjecture on in this instance?
You state it very matter of factly, however, there is no evidence that I can see to support whether Mr. Horn would have, or would not have, shot 2 white neighbor kids in his yard.
If we're evaluating "fact" as you suggest, then wouldn't it be more prudent to stick with the facts at hand relavant to this case, instead of trying to play musical chairs with the facts and submit a hypothetical situation, which never happened, as an example even remotely relavant to Mr. Horn's particular case.
You can argue hypotheticals for days and never accomplish anything in regards to the actual situation that happened. It's also common sometimes to mis-label opinion as fact, much like your case of the "fact" regarding your opinion of whether the case would have played out differently. Ultimately, we simply don't know.
Dont give me that crap...
Also, as to the matter of "kids" in the reference at all. I generally don't think of a 38 and a 30 year old as "kids", but then I'm only in my 30s myself.
Continuing, if, on going outside to confront them, they knew one another - it might be possible to imagine that the burglers would have listened to Mr. Horn as an authority figure and stopped to wait for the police. Again, we can't know, but since we're playing around with conjecture and hypotheticals - why not.
But, do you suggest that, had they been white neighbor "kids" and Mr. Horn went out to confront them, told them to stop, and they in turn rushed at him brandishing a crowbar -- that Mr. Horn would not have shot them as they charged at him?
All Congress needs to be thrown out Dems and Rebublicans, they're all equally greedy
After you read this, please take the time to read some penal codes, starting from PC 9.31 to PC 9.43. And whether or not you think it's right or wrong, the law states under PC 9.42 (2)(B)-(3)(B) what is legal. If you don't read both, please don't post what you "think" was written about Mr. Horn or what you "think" the law says.
And a policeman watched the whole thing and did nothing! This is getting bigger everyday... I noticed the DA said they dont know if they will charge him yet.
No, the question should be if the gets 2 life sentences or a trip to the Huntsville death house.
Long live the Constitution! Long live Joe Horn!
I thought only cowards shoot the unarmed or in the back.
Pumping someone full of lead cause they stole unacquainted neighbour's VCR or something.
At the very least, he could've issued a proper warning, non concomitant with trigger pull, to halt.
Yet more evidence that America is Christian in name only. All the amoral support he's getting from fellow gun fetishists aspiring 'justified' homicide killers.
Anywhere in the civilised world the guy would be standing trial right now for qualified homicide.
Nauseating.
The law rightly allowed him to do it and it should. We should be allowed to use ALL means of force to protect our property AND the property of our neighbors. It is this stupid "all life (even the lives of psycho killer thugs) is sacred" that has led to the explosion of crime. Let it be known that you will die for that VCR and the incidents of people trying to take that VCR will drop dramatically.
I wonder how many break ins have occurred in Joe's neighborhood in the last two years. My guess would be ZERO.
You liberals are complete and total idiots.
Some people have very very small balls and playing with guns makes their balls seem bigger to them.
THese same people also really REALLY enjoy killing animals and other people, especially if they are black or brown.
As a nation we have to define these creepy crawler gunuts so we can keep our children away from them and all the guns they have laying around their houses. They are far far more dangerous and rotten beings than drug dealers, illegal immigrants, and burglars combined. They are stupid and violent and need to be identified and tagged as such.
Yeah, right. Before this incident, how many crimes had Joe Horn committed? Hmmm? Now, how many crimes had his victims committed? These thugs were members of an ORGANIZED BURGLARY RING. This was NOT their first rodeo -- although, thankfully, it was their last.
I would MUCH rather have Joe Horn living next to me than one of his "victims". And so would you, RJ, you stupid freakin' idiot.
Frontpage - Top level