Daily Show John Oliver destroys gun enthusiast with simple logic

gun enthusiastsMost anything gun enthusiasts add to the argument is either dishonest, insane or total crap. As we can see here.
This one engages two issues that are at the top of the NRA crap list.

First is that gun controls don’t work.  Well they work just fine in Australia, England, Japan, and about 99% of the civilized world. Proven right to their faces to no effect other than confused dumb looks.

Secondly that criminals do not follow the law so there is no reason for having laws in the first place. This one we revisit ad nausea. But it took John Oliver only one simple metaphor to do this guy in.   “So if we cannot get rid of all drugs, then there is no point in having drug laws at all?”  Bingo. Stupid is as stupid does.

BTW, in fighting this battle now for almost 30 years online, receiving endless threats to myself and my children, I have finally come up with the proper name for these people. GUN ENTHUSIASTS.  You see, most every other moniker does not apply universally, gun nut, gun loon, gun owner, NRA member, nutcake, Glocksucker and so on.  Gun Enthusiast hits it on the head. Those people who put these most prolific tools of violence at the apex of their lives.  It is both an addiction and a sickness and a very sad defining factor of American culture that exists nowhere else on Earth.  It is not so much the laws, as it is than our gun culture that needs a massive format.  Which it looks like is now on the way.  How many more Sandy Hooks will it take God only knows.

John Oliver Gun Control in Australia part 2

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  • BeReasonable

    You make some valid points rack jite, but isn’t your prejudice and hate against “gun enthusiasts” lumping all gun owners into a group and vilifying them exactly what you say you dislike them for – their “celebration of fear, hate and violence is at it’s core”. You’re doing the same thing… It’s just as offensive as what your claim to be offended by. I’m sorry if you’ve experienced interactions with douchey people that happen to be “gun enthusiasts”, but your inductive reasoning is poor in generalizing all “gun enthusiasts” are douches. That is just not true.

    • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

      I am a gun owner. I have not lumped anything. In fact back when as a safety officer using up all the ammo rather than turning it in 3 times a week for a year, I bet I have fired more rounds from more stuff than most anyone. I make it a point to use GUN ENTHUSIASTS or GUN NUTS and we all know who and what they are. Nothing going for em but the guns.

      • BeReasonable

        Perhaps you and my definition of “gun enthusiast” is different. I would say anyone who owns guns and enjoys shooting is a “gun enthusiast”. “Gun nut” however is what I would call your definition of “gun enthusiast” as described in your article, and I think you would agree there no (“Gun nut” vs “Gun enthusiast”)? The nuts are a real pain and a problem (as are the “anti gun nuts” if you will). Those types are hindering us as a society from moving forward and coming up with actual objective solutions to this very serious problem. And I would agree with your spite for those types.

        • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

          And I disagree. A gun enthusiast is one who has guns on the brain.Their online existence is guns, their social life is guns and they want to see more guns in more hands in more places.
          Guns as a celebration of violence.

          I am a gun owner. I take my two shotguns out of the closet and oil them every few years. I enjoy shooting them on occasion. I used to be pretty good trap shooter. But guns are not the beall and endall of my existence.

          Americans are so close to guns they do not see it for the cultural, societal, personal and violent sickness it has become.

          • BeReasonable

            Looking like this might have to be an agree to disagree case between us because sounds like you’re describing a nut, not an enthusiast. Enthusiasts are a positive connotation, not a negative one. Nut it negative. Also, just because you have a couple of shotguns doesn’t really make you much of an expert or authority on the topic of guns… That’s only 1 alley of firearms. Not to mention “taking them out of the closet and oiling them every few years” leads me to believe you hardly use them. That’s like equivalent of owning an old model car that you rarely drive and oil up then try and pass yourself off as a credible antique car owner. Bullshit, it sits in your driveway hardly used, or in your case your guns sit in your closet hardly used. Technically yes, you’re an “owner”. But you’re not into it or really involved in it. So I guess from your naive perspective, anyone who enjoys shooting on a regular basis is a gun nut (ahem excuse me “enthusiast”). An enthusiast, car or gun, is one that is much more than “just owning two shotguns that get oiled up every few years” or just TECHNICALLY owning an antique car but you hardly every touch/use it. I was hoping we could at least come to some common ground and you could see reason that “nut” is more the appropriate word for what you’re describing. But I don’t think we’re going to meet on anything given you bleak and naive outlook and trying to pass yourself off as a credible gun owner because you happen to have “two shotguns in your closet that you oil every few years” lol. Get real. Lol people like you just have to make me chuckle, “I’m a gun owner…. but I only own two shotguns that I oil every few years and hardly use”. No wonder anything more than that from your point of view is “too much” and a “big bad enthusiast”. How close minded can one get.

          • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

            A garden enthusiast or a movie enthusiast is world away from a weapons of death enthusiast. Enthusiasm for an violent explosion in one’s hand resulting in the violent tearing flesh and blood is just not the same as enthusiasm for things kind, nice, and helpful. WORLDS APART.
            Sure it is not directly related to small penis size but it related to need of metal in hand to compensate for lack of mettle of character.
            There are millions of better ways to enjoy life than blowning the crap out of things.

          • BeReasonable

            Your close mindedness is astounding. I don’t know why I bother trying to talk to a moron who reduces this down to such naive, close minded statements such as: “weapons of death enthusiast”, and “enthusiasm for a violent explosion in one’s hand resulting in the violent tearing of flesh and splashing blood”. I’m pretty sure there are plenty of target shooters who aren’t thinking about the violence aspect, but just enjoy shooting targets. Perhaps we should question why your mind is so narrowly focused on the violence aspect? Maybe you’re the one prone to violence? And bringing up small penis size as if it’s some form of credible argument on the topic… Are you 13 or something? And just because YOU don’t happen to enjoy target shooting, or in your moronic words “blowing the crap out of things” doesn’t mean others don’t or can’t enjoy it. People with your mindset are such a disease – “I don’t like it, so no one else can”. There’s also self defense and crime deterrent applications to firearms (police and military use them for this, civilians do, can, and always should have the CHOICE to choose a firearm for the same purpose). You’re so absurdly one sided it’s sickening. You’re again demonstrating the exact same crap you say you hate gun enthusiasts for, you’re just on the other close minded, ignorant extreme. You’ve proven your small minded absurdity, inability to reason, think critically or see more than just 1 extreme side time and again with your blatantly ignorant comments. I pity people like you. People like you don’t realize your own hypocrisy and that you’re just as bad as those you yourself hate, just on the opposite side, black to their white, white to their black. It’s quite laughable.

          • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

            I see, BeReasonable is sarcasm like Fox’s Fair and Balanced. Oh and let me ask you, you have any other issue other than THE GUNS? Looking around it seems not…

          • BeReasonable

            I’m not even a gun owner. My issue is with idiots like you who dogmatically preach about things they know nothing about and have 0 willingness to try and understand even when faced with people trying to communicate other perspectives with them. Instead you pull out petty shit like the “Fox News” card (frankly I’m surprised you didn’t use the “faux” term). People like you make me sick, you’re a detriment to your own cause and you don’t even know it.

  • Anon

    “Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49 percent lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew,” according to the Pew study. “The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993.

    • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

      Over the years I have changed a on this gun issue. I suppose it is being around so many gun enthusiasts I come to understand I don’t want them around me, my family and especially children of any sort. Dull knives.

      It is not so much the facts,regulations and laws, it’s the gun culture which has the celebration of fear, hate and violence is at it’s core.

      The biggest misconception on this issue is that it is not crime, accidents or even mental illness that cause most of all the death and carnage from guns. Rather it is about anger, vengeance, jealousy, hatred and little dick machismo that is the real horror of it.

      One thing is sure, when you see someone with an assault rifle strapped across their back or a handgun on their hip, you know they are letting you and the world know they are just aching to shoot and kill someone or other. With the help of Jesus of course. It’s for you to decide who it is in their sights…. , ,

      • CGN

        You’re a complete moron and need to educate yourself on the issue. I suppose if guns kill people, spoons make people fat? …

        • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

          Guns don’t kill people, bullets do.
          Just out of curiosity, how many guns do you have on you right now?

          • BeReasonable

            Pretty sure the person controlling the gun, who has loaded it, chambered it, pointed it another person, squeezing the trigger is the one responsible and to blame for the kill.

          • http://rackjite.com/ rack jite

            We just need more of that. From more places in more hands with more powder, and more speed and more magazine size everywhere all the time. ITS A SICKNESS. And its UGLY and violent and stupid.

  • m444ss

    Funny how “simple logic” is at complete odds with actual facts.

  • John

    99 % of all people with guns are peaceful people. Why punish them?

    • rackjite

      Why would a peaceful person be so utterly consumed bearing the predominate tool of violence in the world? What is this?
      Name your massacre, or your murder for that matter, 99% of them WERE law abiding gun enthusiasts.
      It is the 40% of Americans who do not have a gun who are peaceful and do not use guns to murder anyone.

  • DJ

    Wyatt: Make sure you read your sources. That soure you linked is trying to equate a rise in ALL violent crime with a gun ban in Australia. No where does it mention how the rate of firearm related crime. Plus it is a conservative pro-gun think tank — soooo take with a grain of salt?

  • Dave Cole

    Apparently Australians are not allowed to watch the video. Video control is more important than gun control.

  • Dordogne
  • Muy Groso

    I understand, gun enthusiasts are very intelligent, highly informed and extremely educated while those who advocate gun controls are uninformed uneducated morons. Kinda like anti gravity. :)

  • Wyatt

    John Oliver’s arguments here are all terrible. and of course he chooses an old guy that cannot argue his way out of a paper bag. It’s like arguing with a brick wall. OHHH NO COMMENT BRICK WALL? WELL THAT PROVES MY POINT.

    Overall crime has risen significantly since the gun ban in Australia so not exactly good evidence for anything gun control related
    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

    Many of these bills they (the US) try to pass would not help anything. Banning assault weapons would not significantly reduce gun crime as over 90% of gun crime in the US is committed with handguns.

    Personally, I would not mind strengthening background checks but the bills that try to do that do it in such as way to where it would be less effective than current methods and would hinder law abiding citizens more than hamper criminals.

    The Daily Show is an ENTERTAINMENT show, please do not form opinions on such important issues unless you have looked into things yourself. If you’re going to have such a strong opinion, please try not to be lazy about educating yourself about it.

    • Houston Wade

      Wyatt, since banning assault weapons won’t make a dent, does that mean that you are suggesting that we should ban hand guns too? I am all for that!